One of the most striking moments in the trial of the Hawai`i Kai plant operators came on September 18. The jury had been dismissed for its lunch break after hearing yet another witness, a former employee of MEPAC presumably Services, Inc., tell (among other things) of discussions he had with James Kumagai, a vice president of M&E Pacific, Inc., and the person who generally oversaw Metcalf & Eddy's operations in Hawai`i.